Ashi,
Whats that saying? Oh yes,
"Today is the first day of the rest of your life"
We cannot change what is behind us but we can make the future a better place.
Make the best of it my friend.
Hugs
Sunny
well, i've finally had it.
i'm da'ing myself, along with a piece of my fam.
the unbaptised ones are refusing to go with my father now, and even my still devout father is leaning towards our opinion on things.. there wasn't even any screaming when i called the jw's the great hypocrisy last nite.. i just can allow myself to be associated with them in any way.
Ashi,
Whats that saying? Oh yes,
"Today is the first day of the rest of your life"
We cannot change what is behind us but we can make the future a better place.
Make the best of it my friend.
Hugs
Sunny
part 4: the last km school .
the average jw elder participates in extra exclusive activities over and above the rank & file jw: among them are the judicial committees, private meetings with the circuit and district overseer on various official occasions, possession of the secretive flock book, and kingdom ministry school.. of all these, the least frequently experienced is km school.
it is not all that exciting, because much of what is covered is admonition about what most jws already know that elders are supposed to be doing: examples in field service, regular shepherding calls, meeting preparation and attendance, study with the family, etc.
Hi again Amazing,
Thanks again for more great reading. Haven't got much work done though. I keep running over to the CPU to see if you have posted another episode.
God answers prayers in his/her own way and in his/her own time. Do you think God led you to Ray's books? Maybe your prayers were being answered even before you prayed on that day on the mountain. What do you think?
Looking forward to more,
Sunny
the last time i spoke with my mom was the middle of october.
i called her that time.. many of you are familiar with the relationship problems ive had with my parents since i quit going to meetings almost a year ago.
for those of you who arent familiar with the situation, you can do a search by clicking on the paper icon under my name to read up on whats been going on.. anyway things were getting worse and worse and nothing good was coming from our discussions or letters.. since i was the one who called her last, i decided to see how long it would take for my parents to get a hold of me the next time.. my mom even told me in the past that she wanted to limit her association with me.
****************************She's just upset because she has been being dishonest and misleading her parents while I tell them how it really is.************************
BINGO!!
Ranchette,
"To thine own self be true" Don't allow your Mom to manipulate you.
"The truth shall set you free" (no JW connection intended) Keep Telling it like it "really" is. You have no reason to question yourself on anything you have said to your Grandparents. I've never had regrets about telling the truth (even though it was difficult and had consequences sometimes) I do regret lies I've told and some covering up I've done.
Its only natural for a child (no matter how old they get) to want the approval of their parents and it must hurt so badly when your Mom treats you like this. I'm sorry you've had to go through this. My Mom was a devout JW but she dearly loved all her children and was kind to all of them. Even the non-JW ones. I'm grateful for that.
Strengthen your bond with your Grandparents. Why don't you call them? They have suffered too, I'm sure.
just my II
Sunny
part 3: the october surprise!
jws were very eager about world events peace and security: the worldwide pronouncement of peace and security has been a prophetic mantra of the jw religion since before i became associated in 1968. and now, at long last, it was finally upon us!
true, 1975 had not brought armageddon, just as 1914 did not bring it either.
I feel like I've climbed inside your mind.
great reading...
looking forward to the next chapter....
i'm giving up smoking on the 22nd.
it will be the third time, but this time as part of a government sponsored training course with drugs and patches supplied etc.
anyone else given up and got any helpfull advise?.
ballistic......I'm still keeping tabs on you.
8 or 9 days? Thats great!
A carton is 10 packs of 20 cigarettes. 200 of um. I think the pound is worth about a 1/3 more than the dollar (maybe someone here knows what the exchange rate is) Our premium cigs are around $4.50 to $5.00 a pack with the others being somewhat less.
If you think about having a cigarette come back and read this thread. Don't be afraid to ask for support. We're here for you.
Keep up the good work
Sunny
part 1: breaking ground with crisis of conscience .
while attending the district convention at the cow palace in san francisco, the jw man who had brought me into the religion, told me that ray franz had resigned from the governing body, and several were disfellowshipped from bethel in a major cleaning out of apostates.
i was shocked, and asked why ray franz would resign.
Amazing,
Enjoyed the first chapter. Am looking forward to the next one.
Sunny
i'm giving up smoking on the 22nd.
it will be the third time, but this time as part of a government sponsored training course with drugs and patches supplied etc.
anyone else given up and got any helpfull advise?.
ballistic,
Well, here it is 4 days after I posted to your thread and it seems you are still tobacco free. Thats terrific!
Your resperatory system (even though you can't hear it) is thanking you every minute of every day that you are smoke free.
In time you won't believe the wind you will have. You will wonder why you ever started that dirty habit.
Keep posting and keep us informed on how you are doing.
Remember to just be concerned about today and getting through it without a cigarette. You are just not going to have that next drag.
Oh and there is another great up side. The $$$$$$$ you are saving. I don't know what cigarettes cost where you are at. Here they are $40.00 a carton. My husband and I bought 2 cartons a week. Thats $95.00 a week after taxes. 52 weeks a year adds up to $4940.00. Shocking isn't it. My husband and I put a new roof on our house a couple of years ago with the money we saved by not buying any cigarettes just that year..........You could perhaps do something nice for yourself with the extra money. :)
Keep chewing that gum and stuffing those mints.....its worth it.
Sunny
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"might" be losing our marbles?
I lost mine years ago, and am I glad.
I think I saw one of the kids in the neighborhood playing with them not long ago. He was having such fun I didn't have the nerve to ask for them back. I realized later that I really didn't want them. Life is such a joy without them.
Sunny (laughing insanely)
i'm giving up smoking on the 22nd.
it will be the third time, but this time as part of a government sponsored training course with drugs and patches supplied etc.
anyone else given up and got any helpfull advise?.
Hi Ballistic,
I'm proud of you. I've heard that nicotine is more addicting than heroin.
I've been free of that monkey now for 6 or 7 years. They say when you can't remember when you quit you are truly free of it. I can remember the date (Oct 21) but I can't remember the year so I'm almost there.
It took a cancer scare to get me to quit. Luckily everything is fine.
When I was going through the throws of the first three weeks of life without cigarettes I used to tell my self that "no matter what it takes" I'm going to quit this nasty, stinky, habit. Not "if I can" or "I'm going to try". It started to get easier after I got through that time period. I told everyone that I had quit ....that helped me because I didn't want to look like a horses behind if and when I started again. I also took the attitude that "if I didn't have em I couldn't do em". I threw out all my ash trays and asked my husband to please take All his cigarettes with him (he still was smoking but has since quit)and didn't have any at home to temp me. Work had recently gone smokeless and I stayed inside. I had the support of a great boss who let me chew gum till my jaws were sore and who told me constantly that I was now a non-smoker (thank you Edwina).
In the end, it was up to me and I'm sure glad I did it.
I was recently talking to someone at work and they reeked of stale tobacco. I needed a clothes pin for my nose. I'm so glad I don't smell like that anymore.
I thought maybe my experience might help you.
YOU CAN DO IT....you just need to make up you mind and keep your word to yourself.
Sunny
part 1. i thought it might be advantageous to discuss effective ways of getting someone out of the borg and to dispel some myths we might be entertaining about beliefs and changing them.
in this thread i was hoping to start a discussion about the sociology of the witness belief system and how this can be used to help people escape from the mental trap they have found themselves in.
the first outside book i ever read about jws was in the late 1970s by james beckford.
Hi Tony and welcome,
Felt good did'nt it! (the venting)
You will find a lot of support here.
Keep posting.
And I do agree with you, in the end after all is said and done, you have to save yourself. It is a good thing though when someone who has wised up gives you the tools (discreetly if need be).